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Both reviews are very interesting. I think this is a book I'd like to get and read for myself.

Thanks Susan. Point taken on the glysophate though I do remember he speaks of using it himself and said he does not think there's enough evidence to indicate that it is bad for humans and the environment. So that's where I was coming from. Thanks for discussing the EIQ too!! I think this double review system is good. There is too much in a book like this for one reviewer.

The reasonable way to make a meadow--put down a tarp already and let it sit until next spring.

We need Jeff Gillman!!! Because there is too much marketing in gardening and not enough science.

Ah, but Jeff Lowenfels answered a question yesterday about tarps thusly: Hates 'em. Says they destroy the soil-food web.

Susan, but only for a season!!! And does Jeff Lowenfels actually think spraying with a Monsanto product is preferable?

Yes, but which is worse: a tarp, or Roundup?

The one thing that has been ignored in the discussion of whether Roundup is harmful is this: the more people who consider it relatively safe and use it, the bigger evolutionary pressure it becomes, and the sooner plants (which are chemical factories in their own right) will evolve around it.

IIRC, Scott's just got whacked with a major fine for mismanaging field trials for Roundup-ready creeping bentgrass, to wit the 'resistant' plant escaped and is considered invasive and has to be eradicated (with what, I wonder?).

Link: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/45561/story.htm

There is also evidence, according to the book I am currently reading, that soil microbes can assist in gene transfer from plant to plant, so unrelated species may pick up the resistance genes sooner rather than later.

I have found in 10 years of part time city veg gardening in public that an important way between the polarization of industrial chemical and utopian organics is to fall up onto the soil food web and consider it. It is very interesting what this does in forcing one to consider one's place in this, since we ourselves are made of similar microbial communities. Soil food web gardening is revelatory in its practice, artful in it crafting and leads to a supernatural culturing of the world around, in and through us.

http://www.soilfoodweb.com/03_about_us/approach.html

I would think the food web would recover from a tarp a whole lot quicker than Roundup. No residue -- once the tarp is gone, there's nothing to stop the soil from re-colonizing.

No, I'm sticking with protecting the critters of the soil, which are guaranteed to all be killed by plastic, versus avoiding the potential of aquatic harm from roundup, and a small chance if you know what you're doing. I just saw Lowenfels' slides of all that animal life we can't see without an electronic microscope and I'm convinced. It's Awesome.

One of my hubby's favorite acronyms (of his own making) is TINSTAAFL, which translates to "There is no such thing as a free lunch." I'd add to that a new acronym TINSTAASB - there is no such thing as a silver bullet. I tend to be skeptical of any product or method promoted as a cure-all. All products carry some degree of risk and organic does not automatically translate to "safe." The more we know the better our choices will be. Thanks for the reviews. I look forward to reading Jeff Gillman's book.

I seldom use products in my garden, but not because of some lofty philosophical reason. It's because I'm lazy and my time is limited - I'd rather read a gardening book than a product label. The more I learn about the soil food web - fascinating stuff! - the more I realize my laziness has an upside. I wonder what other failing of mine will prove to be a boon (one can only hope).

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