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Hybrid teas are only the pinnacle if you don't care at all what a plant looks like in the garden.

Nothing, in my humble opinion, is more beautiful in bloom than the old European roses.

That spraying regimen raises the hairs on the back of my neck. Guess that puts me in the freaked-out group. Beauty at any cost is not for me.

Roses :
A few nice flowers along with a heaping full of black spot, mildew, rust, canker, and so much more hideous maleficent afflictions.
Why bother when there are so many other horticultural wonders that won't drive a gardener to chemical warfare ?
Put your health in second or third place so your flowers can take first place ?
That is simply retarded.
It is my only hope that all competitive rose growers have full medical health coverage, because they are going to need it .

Michele, I mean the pinnacle in terms of these competitions, where you're judging a cut flower. This is really a subculture with rules all its own. For example, a lot of them focus on miniatures, which I don't get at all.

I'm betting that because of all the chemicals they use, and the constant tending, their bushes probably look a lot better than the average hybrid tea would in my garden.

I just finished watching cake decorating championships this weekend on the Food Network and kept thinking it could easily be the next mocumentary that Christopher Guest tackles. But you know, maybe he should take a look at competitive rose growers! Catherine O'Hara would look great as she threatened the roses with a shovel...

I hear spraying all that gook and my heart starts beating fast. Maybe its just me, but wearing all that protective equipment to spray a natural thing with synthesized gunk is wrong.

Though I can see why rose competitors get carried away.

I'm not surprised that Clarence in Maine has to do all that spraying to keep his hybrid teas performing. I understand that a lot of rose hybridization is done here in southern California. I never spray. Rust-- yeah, I've seen it a couple of times. Black spot-- I think I saw it once, but what's the big deal, a few black spots? Mildew-- only in very wet winters... I should be so lucky! My worst rose disease has always been the mosaic virus that too often comes with grafted plants.

I prefer the landscape roses. It's got to look right in the garden or it's no go.

Because I have a collection of hardy roses, rugosas, albas, 'farmgirls' etc., a friend gave me this book. While I shudder at all the chemical treatments, it is always fun to see the lengths people go to in pursuing any passion and obsession. We celebrate our roses with our Annual Rose Viewing the last Sunday in June. Their season is short, but so beautiful and fragrant.

I have approx. 150 rose bushes-everything from hybrid teas, chinas, to ramblers. I do it all organic and I can tell you my bushes are not always black spot & rust free, but the blooms still come. Roses are simply amazing plants, more amazing than any other species in my garden. There has been NOTHING more rewarding for me than to care for these plants and be rewarded with the most spectacular blooms of all the flower world. Even with a few leaves of black spot, they win my heart in the vase. It just adds character- and makes you respect it all the more. It seems to be saying 'ha! you see what I can do even with my diseases?'

I have 30 antique and species roses (I like to make rose hip jam). I don't spray at all and I have the most beautiful flowers in late May/early June and wonderful hips in the fall. I've also made "wet" potpouri to keep the scent with me all year round.

I adore my roses and if I had more space, I'd have even more Gallicas.

I agree with Michelle,I have some old roses,nothing hybridized or fussy,use no chemicals on them and ignore the few afflictions that do befall them.I do amend soil with mulch and manure tea.I do feed them with bananapeels and even the occasional leftover cold coffe (they like the acid)other than that they are on their own and thriving for years now.Chemical regimes that are a pre requisite to grow certain plants simply means those plants are not for me.

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