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I have found chasmanthium latifolium to be pretty invasive in my garden if I leave the seed heads on and the beautiful seedheads are the main reason for growing it! I finally pulled it out. Also have had a problem with carex sylvatica (same as above) but carex plantaginea, rosea, and platyphylla are all fabulous — growing under silver and sugar maples.

Linda, aggressive plants are not an issue in my garden. Even well-known thugs struggle in some areas.

I have been rereading Great Garden Companions by Sally Jean Cunningham just this week. Her ideas about planting blooming nectar producing plants around and between vegetable plants(not just on the edges) and gardening to bring beneficial insects and birds to the garden were the reason for first picking up the book several years ago.
I can see where she would be very excited about the use of native plants and Doug Tallamy's 'Bringing Nature Home'. It seems to be a natural progression from organic food growing.

Non-native invasive plants cost over 143 billion in taxes. Almost $500 for each man/woman/child in the USA. EVERY YEAR.

A fact convincing enough for non-gardeners to understand. Yes, more natives. Yes, ridding landscapes of non-native invasives.

A non-native invasive plant (mahonia, chasmanthium, Jap. cl. fern &tc) may not be a problem in your residential landscape but you are responsible for birds and other wildlife spreading seeds elsewhere.

And they will.

Many subdivisions are not friendly to native plants. Humus soil has been bulldozed, canopy trees chopped, mycorrhizal fungi killed & rain water is lost thru storm sewers instead of retained where it fell, temperatures are higher due to more roads/cars/buildings.

New, and non, gardeners should know it may be difficult to use some natives in their subdivision.

Garden & Be Well, Tara Dillard


Tara,

A slight correction ...

Chasmanthium latifolium IS a native. You might also like to know that it is a larval food source for a number of skippers -- a small type of butterfly.

From an Illinois website:
Faunal Associations: The flowers attract few insects because they are wind-pollinated. The caterpillars of the butterfly Enodia anthedon (Northern Pearly Eye) feed on the foliage of Inland Oats, as do the caterpillars of several Amblyscirtes spp. (Roadside Skippers), including Amblyscirtes vialis (Common Roadside Skipper), Amblyscirtes linda (Linda's Roadside Skipper), and Amblyscirtes belli (Bell's Roadside Skipper). The latter two skippers are restricted to southern Illinois and neighboring areas, where their preferred food plant, Inland Oats, is more common.

Dan Mays

Oh good gawd , another native plant Nazi, didn't your biology teacher tell you that diversity is a good thing ? -
It couldn’t be said any better than this Tara :

To deny the inevitability of ecological change or to pass moral judgment on it is to deny the reality of organic evolution - Steven J. Gould, “An Evolutionary Perspective on Strengths, Fallacies, and Confusions in the Concept of Native Plants,” Arnoldia 58, 1998, 2-10.

and

Don’t limit your planting designs to a palette of native species that might once have grown on the site. Imposing such a limitation on diversity not only reduces the aesthetic possibilities for the landscape, but also its overall adaptability. As a graceful way out of the native versus exotic debate, I recommend using sustainability as the standard for deciding what to plant. According to my definition, sustainable landscape plants: can tolerate the conditions that prevail on the site; require minimal applications of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers to look good; have greater drought tolerance and winter hardiness than other plants; and do not spread aggressively into surrounding natural areas. From this perspective, invasiveness is but one of several criteria that should be used when selecting plants for a given site, and sustainability means that the final planting list is based on a realistic evaluation of site conditions rather than on a romantic notion of the past. - Peter del Tredici , Harvard University’s Arnold Arboretum

An interesting point of view, Michelle, especially since you had to prefix it by calling someone a ...Nazi.
If biodiversity means that people are happy with their colourful gardens, you're right. If it means that the local flora and fauna can survive, you're wrong. Birds and butterflies eat insects, and many beneficial insects require native plants. Tallamy's studies prove quite conclusively that the common ornamental plants do not support the insect population required by plants. And with 8000 different natives in California alone, I don't feel so deprived (even if they're not all garden worthy).

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your words.

You've opened a new arena for consideration. Native plants not suited to a subdivision environment.

My landscape design customers demand low maintenance. Most want a lot of natives. Of course they get them. Several have requested chasmanthium. When told of their spread they're declined.

My landscape, a mix of native/non has honeybees, butterflies, possums, chipmunks, birds, & more. ALL YEAR. Zone 7.

It has no turf, no irrigation, no chemicals, no hired help, & survives for weeks at a time without maintenance. There isn't a day in the year something isn't blooming and I don't use annuals.

It's open twice a year, and to garden clubs and out-of-state tours. It's been in national mags and on TV.

If I'm going to lecture/write about gardening I must open my garden to scrutiny.

Have I made mistakes? LOTS. With a hort degree, decades of experience, over 2000 designs, 5 books, my own tv show and awards. (all puffery)

Mistakes? MISTAKES?

They are my best teachers. What I've learned by doing, from mentors & mistakes has been my most important learning.

Again, thanks for your words.
Garden & Be Well, Tara Dillard

FYI: A few months ago my newspaper column about butterflies was censored. They didn't approve the part about spermataphor!!

Hi Michelle,
I'm confused. You think I'm a native plant nazi? I think it was my poor writing. My point was many natives can't be used because we have destroyed their environment.

My designs & my garden mix natives & non-natives. For over 2 decades.

Unfortunately I have some non-native invasive plants. Only a few of the mistakes made 22 years ago when I built my home.

It's emotional to get rid of them, they were dug from my grandmother's garden, but I've seen the devastation they cause in the wild.

Strength will be gathered and they will be removed. No date set, yet.

Today's mistake was not writing clearly.

Zig Ziglar said it's great to make mistakes. It means you are doing something. I'm like Anne
of Green Gables. Always making mistakes but never the same one twice.

I agree with your response and have lived/worked on its template for decades.

Garden & Be Well, Tara Dillard

Grasses for dry shade? I didn't know there were any. Does she discuss them in the book or was it only in her presentation.

Hi Tara,
Hats off to someone who never makes the same mistake twice! The Lords of Karma don't mind watching me make the same mistakes over, and over, and over, and ov....

It's rare that I get my back up about a thread but:

Hasn't this type of book been done and done again to death.

I read it and quite frankly it reads like a job application and per usual are all plant picks from her own personal garden. It's not bad but it's not great either - seems to be mostly PR hype.

I'm tired of best selling gardening books by hobbyists instead of practical business owners while the "real world talent" goes unnoticed.

Michelle D - please write a book for us, it's desparately needed.

My apologies to the owner/s of this very cool blog, but I really must reply to SJ.

Dear SJ. I see by some responses of yours to other posts, that you are a professional gardener. My hat is off to you. It's hard work and long hours. However, I feel I must challenge some of your statements above.

Tracy DiSabato-Aust has been a professional in horticulture for over 34 years. She has worked all levels of it, including professional studies abroad, working with top level professionals in highly regarded gardens, and grad school where I first met her. She owns her own very successful design and installation business. Therefore no "hobbyist". She is, indeed, a "practical business owner" in her own right. She is also a designer, photographer, teacher, lecturer, writer and has been for many a long year.

You may decide not to add her newest book to your library and that is your choice. But I hope you will now agree that her book is not just "mostly PR hype", that she is not just a "hobbyist" and that she is definitely a professional in horticulture.

I understand what you are saying but I still stand behind what I have said.

Well, I was hesitant to get into this but I will say that the "hobbyist" characterization is quite simply inaccurate. There is opinion and then there are facts.

Otherwise I could see where opinions on the book would vary, and why.

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