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Hi Susan,

I also find this very distressing. Words such as "prevention" and "control" on packaging or in advertising suggest to consumers that whatever is the object of this eradication must be bad.

As children, we all loved dandelions, which says something about how adults view the world. People used to eat dandelions -- how far we've gone in the wrong direction!Clover has been a component of every lawn mix I've ever bought and is a food source for wildlife.

People may differ in their level of tolerance for "imperfection" in their lawns, but I'm very disappointed that Scott's doesn't spend more time, money, and energy developing products that move away from monoculture lawns. THAT would advance them toward becoming a truly "green" company and a leader in sustainability -- something that will require a 180-degree change in corporate philosophy. Can they do it?

I think they can, if folks like us show them there is a big untapped market out here.

Regards,
Lois

Clover doesn't bother me at all, even creeping Charlie is tolerable, but, man, do I hate dandelions, esp. when billions of them from the neighboring tree farm here go to seed. It's like snow in summer.

Europeans still eat dandelions. Dandelion greens are some of the first greens available in the spring. The are high in vitamins A and C and contains other vitamins and minerals. Good for the winter starved settler but not good enough for all of us? What is wrong with this picture? The flower buds are quite bitter but the flowers are used in winemaking. Perhaps there should be some research and development on producing dandelions with larger greens and flowers. The taproot can be peeled and roasted in the oven and then ground for coffee/tea. The roots of the dandelion do help aerate heavy soil or so I have read. All of this and the dandelion is relegated to weed heap. It could be the new arugula with the right marketing. How about it Susan? Let's give it a go.

The sustainability officer at Scotts should look at the company's advertising for Weed B Gon and Bug B Gon, two products that completely ignore the fact that some bugs and weeds are good for the environment by implying that all insects and weeds are bad and need to B Gon. Sustainability means using the least toxic material and treating the problem ONCE it's been identified, not just wholesale slaughter of bugs and weeds (clover?).

Scotts has no intention of becoming a truly "green" company. If they did, they wouldn't send out garbage like this. They make their money by convincing homeowners that they are somehow lacking unless they have a perfect (weed-free!) lawn. Does anyone seriously believe they're going to come along and say "oh, never mind -- weeds are good!"? Until they stop sending messages like the ones Marty received, any sustainability efforts are nothing more than greenwashing, despite the garbage their PR machine spins and sends out to the garden media.

According to her message, Jan wants to "advance sustainability" within her company. Ecological sustainability is about maintaining diversity in plant life, not killing off everything that ad campaigns tell us is undesirable. I would hope that before Scotts spends any more money on laughable PR emails such as those referenced above, they'll invest in people who actually give a damn about the environment instead of just padding their own pockets.

When I was in Paris they were selling dandelions in the shops in pretty little crates for urban gardens. Too bad that is not a craze here. Love my clover and will not will not bow to the pressure from the cul de sac to mow it.

Thanks again for raising awareness about those evil high maintainance lawns.

I love my clover and my dandelions. Of course I do not have a lawn because I tilled it under and planted a vegetable garden.

Wow! You go, Susan! Looking forward to hearing back from Scotts on this one.

I love the clover in my lawn. It attracts the bees I need to pollinate my veggies. And my kid help me keep dandelions in check- she picks all the pretty flowers before they go to seed. There's no need for mass killings of innocent plants!

One of my favorite childhood memories is of lying on my stomach in the grass (I don't think we even called it 'lawn') on a warm summer day looking for 4-leaf clovers... given all the chemicals that pesticide companies such as Scott advocate, I'm not sure that now it would be safe to do that on a lawn treated per their maintenance schedule... Another loss for childhood....

Dandilions and White Clover are NEEDED to support the dieing honeybee population.

Colony Colapse Disorder (CCD) is destroying roughly 20-30% of commercial and hobby bee hives. Hives with CCD basically disapear -- sick bees tend to leave for the good of the hive, but with CCD all the bees are sick and vanishing... Though no one knows the exact cause of CCD it is suspected that the over-use of chemical pesticides and herbicides are a factor. Chemicals are tracked back to the hive, incorporated in the wax and eventually a level of toxicity is reached that the bees can no longer tolerate. Another indicator of this theory is the fact that other bees leave the hive alone and do not come in to rob the abandoned honey.

As to the specific "weeds" dandilions are necessary, even primary sources of pollen (the only protien for bees eat) for honeybees. Dandilions bloom at a time when the bees need a good source of food to build up hive strength after the winter. The hive will need to be strong so that they can make enough honey during "honey flow" (peak bloom)to ensure they will last another winter.

Most of a honeybee's honey comes from "weed" flowers. Especially WHITE CLOVER... honeybee tongues are surprisingly short -- for example honeybees cannot collect nectar from Red Clover because red clover tubuals are too long/deep -- and while we might think that honeybees are drinking deep at lilies and roses, but they can't. Most gardens do not contain flowers suitable for honeybees.

There are a variety of wild bees who have longer tongues but the honey bee feeds, in majority, on the flowers of our weedy lawns. By spraying chemicals, we 1)remove a valuable honeybee food source 2) contribute to the toxic levels of the hives (a leading factor of CCD).

Plus, if you eat any honey yourself... how do you feel about spreading a little butter and broadleaf herbicide on your toast??? Because if it's in the wax it's in the honey too.

Scotts-MiracleGro (SMG) has NO INTEREST IN SUSTAINABILITY, period. Sustainable practices don't require continual inputs in the form of fertilizers and pesticides, which is how SMG makes their money.

As long as the Garden Writers Association keeps bed with them, SMG has a bully pulpit from which to promote their products and profits.

Hello Susan and friends: I was surprised that I didn't hear back from Scotts about my response to their clover press release. I didn't send a message about dandelions, but I agree that dandelions are important for bees - and for children just learning to make wishes. Dandelions are prolific in my neighborhood in spring; some people seem to grow them as a cash crop. These are not the same people who pay for so-called lawn care services that fertilize cool-season grass in early spring (the absolutely wrong time to do so), and apply herbicides to control every blessed thing that is not fescue or ryegrass or bluegrass.

Thanks for taking this up to the Rant, Susan. Here's to clover necklaces and crowns, and the occasional nibble on a cool green stem, just like when we were kids. Marty

Marty's e-mail to Scotts was commendable in its restraint; I would have been tempted to throw in a few choice epithets. Scotts having a "sustainability officer" is like the tobacco companies funding anti-smoking campaigns. "We're not evil! Really! We just make our zillions selling all this really bad crap!"

I'm still trying to get my lawn converted over TO clover! Happy to say so far it's going very, very nicely.

OK here comes one from the pro lawn guy. I have clover in my back lawn but do not want it in my front 600 square feet of manicured lawn. The rest of my 1/2 acre property I could care less what grows there. I think clover would make a great total ground cover lawn replacement IF THAT"S WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTED. Dandelions are just friggin' ugly period. And dandelion wine just gets me to friggin' drunk! As for attracting bees yes they do but what about kids playing in a yard full of bees?
If I had my way my lawn would be all moss! But with a nine year old playing football in the back yard that ain't gonna happen.
SMG has a lot of problems, they pissed off the IGCs and the boxes kept only a few SKUs to sell real cheap.

the TROLL

I feel fortunate to live in a rural neighborhood where everything is allowed to grow. Unfortunately, in my state, most suburban homeowners "believe" a perfect lawn of fescue and Bermuda grass is preferable to multi-diversity, and it frustrates me. I keep trying to educate them, but I see them with the vile herbicides and pesticides reading application rates. They never notice the skull and crossbones on the label.

I applaud Marty for writing back to Scotts. Perhaps we all should lend our voices to the fight.

BTW, a measured tone is always the best way to get someone to listen I think.~~Dee

I wonder if Scotts is ramping up its marketing in response to the ever increasing number of jurisdictions that are banning herbicides.

Perhaps that budget could be better spent on R & D for sustainable products.

Dear Susan,

Thank you for asking me to comment.

I think you and Marty raise a good point. I agree that a more balanced approach in our communication is both helpful and appropriate for consumers.

We are taking a look at all of our messaging with regard to how we help consumers have the yard and garden they want – in a manner that uses our products responsibly and only when needed, that promotes local biodiversity appropriate for the growing climate, and that judiciously uses natural resources like water. We welcome feedback from you and your readers/participants on how Scotts can do a better job of this.

If I may provide a little bit of background on the communication sent to Marty. We get about 1 million inquiries a year from consumers. We have been tracking their questions (or complaints or positive feedback) for over 15 years and have modeled the data. When we see a spike in call or email volume on issues – we investigate and often send out an announcement to our consumer database, our sales force and local media/garden writers on the problem and the remedy. We have been receiving higher than normal complaints from consumers about clover and dandelions – and that is what prompted the alert.

That said – I think we need to educate consumers on ‘the rest of the story’ as the late Paul Harvey would say. And explain that clover actually is a nitrogen fix in the grass – and it attracts beneficial bugs like bees – and that if it doesn’t bother you – leave it be. However, there are some homeowners who are quite bothered by clover and other weeds. For those homeowners, we want to provide recommendations and product solutions that are effective and easy to understand. I am curious, had we recommended spot treatment using our new chelated iron product under the Ortho EcoSense Brand – would that have helped? Or mattered?

Susan, I am starting to develop plans for a ‘listening tour’ in the months ahead for executives at ScottsMiracle-Gro and me to hear from NGOs, academics, regulators, opinion leaders, etc. on what they would like to see from our company. I hope you accept my invitation to participate. We are committed to driving a sustainability mindset into how we think and act – and we need hear outside perspective in how we can promote practices that are environmentally beneficial.

Again, thank you for the opportunity to engage.

Jan Valentic

Troll: I grew up rolling around on a lawn full of bees, and never got stung. My son will get to experience the same.

Thank you Susan for the great rant! I'm dying to hear what the Sustainability Officer has to say.

Clover is fine as far as I'm concerned, and as an edible so are dandelions. But when so many sustainable gardeners are quick to slap the "invasive" label on just about anything that sets seed, how can we not consider dandelions invasive? I've had too many dandelion flowers get away from me this year and the seed is everywhere! Mea culpa, neighbors!

I spent plenty of time running barefoot through the grass as a kid, and I rarely got stung. If I had a kid with a severe allergy to bee stings, I would worry about clover and dandelions in my grass, but I don't. I over seeded my backyard with white clover last spring, in part for the nitrogen fixing, and in part for the bee populations. I can hardly wait until it starts to bloom.

My chickens love clover.

If you want a lawn, you have to take the responsibilities that go with ownership. If you don't want clover or dandelions, there are organic and sustainable ways to control them. Sure, these take elbow grease and work. That is what comes with lawn ownership, sorry.

Don't poison my world because you don't like dandelions or clover and want to have an artificial looking, golf course, lawn.

I have had delicious dandelion grown on organic farms, but the stuff growing in my yard does not look nearly as appetizing. I definitely would not eat it from the front yard, which abuts a busy road.

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